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Post by hordriss on Apr 10, 2008 15:40:42 GMT
"The Book of Howling"
ISBN 978-1-4303-1569-8
This book takes element from the lesser key of Solomon, the Grimoire and various other sources, including chaos magick*, and combines them to make this concise guide to summoning and working with so-called darker creatures, high level demons and some reference to angelic beings also.
The book also includes info on how to make a demon your familiar with further guides on how to control or get rid of less cooperative spirits.
The main problem with this book is the number of typos, not just odd letters missing, full spelling, grammar and punctuation errors, makes you wonder if anyone bothered to proof read it.
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Post by john on Apr 11, 2008 10:24:05 GMT
This sounds fucking stupid. The idea of having a Demon familiar is the stupidest shit I've ever heard. fucking hell.
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Post by john on Apr 11, 2008 10:26:23 GMT
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Post by hordriss on Apr 11, 2008 12:50:11 GMT
Indeed, but the luciferian one is still an interesting read.
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Post by john on Apr 11, 2008 17:54:36 GMT
I dunno, just sounds incredibly dangerous to me. That "sympathetic" Goetia school is not one I'd ever want to explore. Still, 93 93/93 and all...
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Post by hordriss on Apr 11, 2008 20:50:36 GMT
Well it does include all the necassary protections from the key it just puts a new twist on the rituals and methods.
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Post by john on Apr 13, 2008 11:29:45 GMT
The rituals don't need a new twist, they're perfect as they are. The idea of keeping a demon around as 'pet' is just so unbelievably stupid. Anything that specifically asks Goetic's to stick around isn't including "all the necessary protections" at all.
It's hard enough controlling them in the context of the triangle/circle. The idea they're going to be subserviant to you is stupid.
Armchair occultists for the lose.
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Post by Suzie on Apr 13, 2008 12:13:47 GMT
Sorry but agree with John.
Demons are not the astral equivalent of dogs.
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Post by hordriss on Apr 13, 2008 14:08:27 GMT
They don't hang around, you concecrate an object such as a black mirror through which to communicate to the creature after the initial summoning, the don't cling to you in exactly the same way as a familiar, they sort of stay in touch in an advisary capacity.
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Post by hordriss on Apr 13, 2008 14:09:07 GMT
I agree with you mostly but I'm just playing Lucifeiran's advocate.
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Post by john on Apr 13, 2008 16:01:56 GMT
They don't hang around, you concecrate an object such as a black mirror through which to communicate to the creature after the initial summoning, the don't cling to you in exactly the same way as a familiar, they sort of stay in touch in an advisary capacity. This wouldn't work. Physical evocation of anything takes a fuck ton of effort, energy and preperation. The reason Goetia is dangerous is because you create a link with the energies involved during the preperation. Once you've decided which demon to summon your will is going to be focused on it. As above so below, if you focus your will on summoning a demon (and your will is sufficiently trained) it will be possible to invoke to evoke, in other words simply focusing on the name of a demon in your mind can lead to an evokation. Alright where am I going with this? If you have a consecrated object with which to commune with a demon, then you've got a permanent object in your home that is purely related to demonic energy. Everytime you see that object you'll be reminded of whichever demon you've been contacting and that constant reminder will make the link you have stronger, opening yourself up more and more to possesion. It isn't something to take lightly. Mastery of Goetia is a massive hurdle to overcome in the progression from Malkuth to Yesod. Without sufficient training, you will be destroyed mentally and or physically. Crowley made a good point about the spirits, if you fraternise with Demons you will be torn down to their level. By inviting them into your home that's what you're doing. You're asking them to share your space. Finally, all that aside demons have a natural dislike of humans. We're lower entites than them, but we have the power control them hence a ton of contempt. If you think a Demon will come whenever you summon it without any sort of ritual you're wrong. Keep in mind as well that you're going to have to do a complete banishing after every time you try this, even if it looks like nothing worked. Alright too many words perhaps but I can't stress how dangerous an idea it is. This isn't something to take lightly. There's nothing wrong with experimenting, infact you should take the plunge more often than not but in this case, stay well away.
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Post by hordriss on Apr 13, 2008 16:13:52 GMT
I understand that, I really do, I have worked with demonic entities in the past and I am aware of the dangers, maybe I'm just not putting accross what the book is saying propperly, needless to say I won't be trying anything it suggests.
I do disagree with Crowley in one respect, I don't believe demons are fundamentally evil or bad, certainly amoral, if you make a promise or deal with a demon you pay in full and on time or they will fuck you up, unless you choose to excersise direct control over the demon itself, perhaps more safe, when using the correct bannishing and protection but I think that's rude to be honest, more likely to agrovate the creature too.
I know my methods aren't exactly conventional although I am by know means a chaos magician, I just think there are better ways of going about things than what the books have to offer but they do work well as a basis for knowledge to help formulate your own methods. At the end of the day it has to feel right to you, you can scarwl lattin in spirals all over the carpet and burn hand made yak fat candles but if it doesn't feel right then you might as well not bother.
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Post by john on Apr 13, 2008 17:04:40 GMT
I understand that, I really do, I have worked with demonic entities in the past and I am aware of the dangers, maybe I'm just not putting accross what the book is saying propperly, needless to say I won't be trying anything it suggests. I do disagree with Crowley in one respect, I don't believe demons are fundamentally evil or bad, certainly amoral, if you make a promise or deal with a demon you pay in full and on time or they will fuck you up, unless you choose to excersise direct control over the demon itself, perhaps more safe, when using the correct bannishing and protection but I think that's rude to be honest, more likely to agrovate the creature too. I know my methods aren't exactly conventional although I am by know means a chaos magician, I just think there are better ways of going about things than what the books have to offer but they do work well as a basis for knowledge to help formulate your own methods. At the end of the day it has to feel right to you, you can scarwl lattin in spirals all over the carpet and burn hand made yak fat candles but if it doesn't feel right then you might as well not bother. your last point is very true and very much in agreement with The Law. For the rest though, I suppose it comes down to a difference of opinion in regards to how you percieve demons. I'd personally choose to treat them in the traditional manner. Any pact with another entity ultimately impacts on the will and just like in the physical world, debts can get out of hand pretty fast...
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Post by hordriss on Apr 13, 2008 21:15:31 GMT
This is of course true. Perhaps these debts can be consolidated into a more managable loan.
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Post by john on Apr 14, 2008 11:19:26 GMT
with low monthly repayments!
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